fdahte (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

dont be stupid be a smarty come and join the nazi party

xxMrFablexx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Africanus1 NAMES LIE.Don't get distracted by the word "Socialist". If the Communist party of Russia were to change their name to "The Freedom Party" does that suddenly make them liberatians and champions of individual freedom? The word "Socialist" in the NAZI party name is just a word and does not mean that they are in way associated with the classic meaning of "Socialism" any more than the "Freedom" would mean the Communist party has suddenly embraced freedom. It was just marketing.

xxMrFablexx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Africanus1 get rid of jews to lower unemployment, socialism dreams of a society where everyone works for the common good and money is unneccessary. Those are the differences in theory, of course if you compare Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany you wouldn't find much difference, but in theory socialism and national socialism are complete opposites.

xxMrFablexx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Africanus1 live together without any remark on their origin or "race", while the Nazis were the most nationalist / patriotic / race fanatic people ever. Plus the Nazi system was financed by big industrialists, factory owners and bankers, while they would probably be the greatest enemies of socialists. Nazis embraced ocialist symbols and even language to attack working cass vote in Germay, but their idea of enhancing German worker's living standards was to

xxMrFablexx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Africanus1 Just because they called themselves National Socialists doesn't mean that they were socialist. Socialism is the idea of a classless society, Nazis society was very class-oriented with warrior and leader as the highest class, and Jews and workers as the lowest class, socialism dreams of a society without a leader, national socialism had Hitler, probably the most glorified leading figure in history. Socialism dreams about a society where there are no nations anymore, and people

PsychoPunk1965 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Africanus1 I admit that it is an accusation made my paleoconservative and the far and semi radical left, but it is true. Neoconservatism adapted itself into its final form in the Reagan Revolution. The evolution is indisputable. What neocons and Trots have in common which proves of their family ties of sorts would be the belief in Worldwide Permanent Revolution. Many neocons today are not even aware of their ultra left beginnings.

Africanus1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@xxMrFablexx I read it and responded, where did this discussion begin, oh yeah, the National Socialists Party of Germany the Nazis were socialists.

Africanus1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@PsychoPunk1965 It was never a libertarian movement, it was started by fiscal conservatives with strict emphasis on ending bailouts and forcing politicians to spend within their means. That is why both party establishments were trying to kill or co-opt the movement. There is no central authority, no leader to the movement and that is why they will fail. Btw, linking Reagan to Trotsky, lol, please start taking your meds again.

PsychoPunk1965 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Africanus1 Sure, there is no socialism in the Tea Party movement. I would even go as far as to say it started out as a benevolent libertarian movement until Republican Party hacks, the Christian Right, Fox News, and NEO-CONSERVATIVES took charge of the movement. Neo-Conservativism came out from the Trotskyite movement of the 1930s. That Trotskyite movement evolved from communism to democratic socialism to a Cold War liberalism, and eventually the Reagan Revolution.

xxMrFablexx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Africanus1 Did you even read my comment?