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friedoctorock (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@CI9TK if people want it, business will provide it. If people value infrastructure, businesses will take advantage of that and create it. If people don't, they won't. Free markets have never failed, for they have never existed. Greed has no limit, therefore one will go to great lengths to provide the service that will collect the most profit, the service people want. Greed in this context is wanting to increase your prosperity. This does not come at the expense of others.
CI9TK (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@friedoctorock You would make the party proud with your Newspeak. I'm expecting you to say "slavery is freedom" next.Free markets and Libertarianism are failures when left alone - greed has no limit so it destroys. Greed is not interested in infrastructure that is not profitable yet infrastructure is necessary for business to thrive.I believe in incentives for ambition and innovation but I believe in regulation - STARTING with the money changers, who create nothing. Others will agree in time.
friedoctorock (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@CI9TK Savings is wealth not consumed. All consumers are producers. One needs to produce to have wealth to consume. All innovation is made possible by unconsumed wealth. If all revenue is consumed, the business will be stagnant. A market does not work without profit and loss. They are the indicators of what is good and what is bad. Without it, people are subject to the whims of businessmen, or a government.
CI9TK (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@friedoctorock You say that I "still don't understand economics"? and your very next sentence is "Savings is from profit"? First, when using plural, you should use "are"; "Savings ARE from profit".Second, it's incorrect usage. Savings are defined either as a reduction in cost OR liquidity (that may or may not be invested but must be a wholly owned asset).Third and most importantly, there are no savings for consumers because privatization increases costs. THAT is clear to everyone but you.
friedoctorock (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@CI9TK Again, current private insurance is not insurance in a free market; there is no free market in the U.S. It seems you still don't understand economics. Savings is from profit. One uses one's savings to invest in new ventures and innovation. Without profit, innovation is impossible and a business would just go through the same motions everyday resulting in stagnation. Capital is created through profit and prosperity is directly related to capital.
CI9TK (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@friedoctorock You waste more time with fantasy - you might as well put Santa and the Easter Bunny in control of your examples.The REALITY is clear: A TRUE savings of 3% cost for Medicare or the VA compared to a cost of 18% and more for private insurance is NOT as you claim "irrelevant pragmatic details", it's important, no matter how often you want to distract others from the truth.Private companies put greedy stockholders in charge. Socialism puts taxpayers in charge.
friedoctorock (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@CI9TK Imagine two business: one private, one gov't-run. Do you think it would be fair to compare them? The private one faces the consequences of its actions and needs to innovate and the gov't one can keep failing but still get its money through force(tax). Also, the private one in this example is not in the context of a free market; we don't have a free market currently. The point is healthcare, like almost everything, should be voluntary. W/ profit, the best care succeeds and grows.
CI9TK (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@friedoctorock "Free healthcare"? My God, they have got you by the twig and giggleberries, don't they?You somehow think that Healthcare for PROFIT is better than paying a salary only to the people who PROVIDE healthcare and letting the profiteers actually work for a living if they want to make a profit - I mean, that is a better definition of "voluntary" than any of your lies.3% cost vs.18% cost is NOT irrelevant, it's a money saver for the people and a loss for greedy, do nothing profiteers.
friedoctorock (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@CI9TK First, the current market is not free. You cannot compare the current healthcare market to one in a free market. Second, you have to look at the fundamental questions and not get stuck in irrelevant pragmatic details. If gov't provides healthcare, private individuals are forced to fund it and are therefore not free.
gamefreak1000000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
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