leglover00 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

People who follow this stuff are pawns of the elite. Very weak minded individuals. Very sad.

leglover00 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It's fun watching extremist morons. There's nothing remotely conservative about this.

AndyAce83 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Drecon84 Apology accepted. And I will probably not do any research on Mr. Wilders. The reason is that he will never become relevant in my country. On principle, be he at fault or not, he should be allowed to speak. It is that simple. If he is right, he can only save your country. In Norway we got our own multi-cult. problems and no Wilders, only a madman who kills children (now that´s a REAL problem). Now the Norwegian left got a real "shut up" card I can tell you.

Drecon84 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@AndyAce83 If you really feel that way I guess we are too far apart to ever agree on anything. Please accept my apology for putting words in your mouth, I assure you, it was not my intention. Please just try to give a thought to what kinds of racism might be wrong, if any. If you decide it's all okay, more power to you. Otherwise, try to find out something more about Mr. Wilders please. Either way is fine I guess.

AndyAce83 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Drecon84 "If you take the things he says and replace the word Muslim with Jew you'd call him an antisemitic racist". No I wouldn´t. Stop putting words in my mouth. I would not have called him an "antisemitic racist"; I would have called him a left-winger.

Drecon84 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@AndyAce83 My point here was not to burn down christians. Far from it. I just meant that since you would probably not blame christians for the crimes of a single christian, you should not do the same for muslims. Nevertheless, my overall point was not about this, just about Wilders specifically. If you take the things he says and replace the word Muslim with Jew you'd call him an antisemitic racist. Because he targets another group he's safe. I say it scares me, you may disagree.

AndyAce83 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Drecon84 Also, if you get to dictat-e what can and what can not be said, then you are a dictat-or. Get it? Who are anyone to say that anyone else can´t express themselves. When will people understand that there is truth in the saying "sticks and stones (and angry Muslims) may brake my bones, but words can never hurt me"

AndyAce83 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Drecon84 Oh, so Christians... Hey, wait a minutte! WE DO GET BLAME!!! And that is the fucking problem! If the left wing people would dare to mock Islam to, but they don´t. Some how Christians always get the shit cake but Islam is always an ideology of individuals. Christians have to defend crusades, witch-burning and their entire 2000 year history, but Muslims get away with what happened last year.

AndyAce83 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Drecon84 Although, and this is a very important point so put away your joint for a sec, I find your culture in many ways ugly and perverted I would never move to your country and moralize. If I do not like the culture, like France and Sweden, I will just stay away from them. The dutch should do what they want. I will not kill anyone who thinks like the dutch do. But... Some do, don´t they? Some kill because others aren´t like them. So why spend time lecturing me, when others kill?

Drecon84 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@AndyAce83 2: If the death of a person by a single lunatic would be a reason to excise an entire group, christians would all be out of the country already. There are extremists in every group and it´w just wrong to blame the entire group for an incident by a single member of that group. Besides, I´m all for free speech, but I do think there should be limits to it. I think politicians making openly racist statements is over that line.